Comments on: Gaza Protests in Paris: Pro-Palestinian or Anti-Jewish? /region/europe/gaza-protests-in-paris-pro-palestinian-or-anti-jewish-95321/ Fact-based, well-reasoned perspectives from around the world Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:50:13 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9.4 By: Issam /region/europe/gaza-protests-in-paris-pro-palestinian-or-anti-jewish-95321/#comment-25799 Fri, 08 Aug 2014 00:19:05 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=44141#comment-25799 After reading your article, I did some searches on Youtube, Google images, and few social media searches to support your extreme claim, but could not find any; at least of the magnitude you’ve implied. On FaceBook, I have seen many shared images of the Gaza massacre and various worldwide demonstrations with comments. While most comments were pro-Palestinian, there were few that went to the extent of relating Netanyahu to Hitler and Zionism to Nazism, which I, personally, can see the relationship. One comment, which I immediately replied to, was glorifying Hitler. My response was “how could you or anyone exalt a child and woman murderer?”

Lately, more and more Jews step out and demonstrate by writing or speaking, against Israel’s occupation and aggression. The majority of people are becoming more and more aware and they know the distinct difference between Judaism and Zionism. Thus, protesting against Israel’s terrorism does not automatically label the demonstrators as being anti-Jews or anti-Semitic, as you suggested.

Humanity definitely needs to step up on fighting genocide committed by the Zionists (not just anti-Semitism, as you declared). Yes, Palestinian women and children, who are also Semitic, are the victims of Israel Destructive Force. And, for humanity’s sake, please state that, instead of whining about Israel’s image. Oh, and please provide some evidence of your claim. Shalom!

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By: Duncan Thomas /region/europe/gaza-protests-in-paris-pro-palestinian-or-anti-jewish-95321/#comment-25639 Tue, 05 Aug 2014 12:23:16 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=44141#comment-25639 While I sympathise with anyone who suffers discrimination or violence because of their ethnic/religious/whatever background, the article is utterly lacking in any historical context…

Should we condemn the conflation of anti-Zionism and anti-Jewish feeling? Of course. Any who is primarily responsible for this conflation? The state of Israel and its Western backers, who constantly describes it (and, indeed, demand that it be recognised) as “the Jewish State”, hail its Prime Minister as “the leader of the Jewish people”, run eroticised teenage booze-fests such as the “Birthright Programme” and frequently denounce any kind of criticism as “anti-Semitism”. In other words, it is primarily Israel itself which has actively worked towards this conflation, and so we should not be entirely surprised if its opponents sometimes suffer from the confusion it purposefully propagates.

Second: while we may say that anti-Jewishness (I shall not commit the logical fallacy of calling an Arab “anti-semitic) exists within Arab/Muslim populations as an EMPIRICAL FACT, this does nothing by way of CRITICAL ANALYSIS. It is, at best, a description – not an engagement. To the extent that it does exist within anti-Israel groups and, more specifically, Arab and Muslim population, this anti-Jewishness is so attenuated and removed from the historical – and specifically European phenomenon – of anti-Semitism that it is meaningless to use the same term to describe them.

Now, I am very happy to condemn anti-semitism or – a subtype of it – anti-Jewishness whenever I encounter it, but I refuse to do so unless I place it within its proper historical contest. Jews, despite some minor and (relative to the time) inconsequential discriminatory policies associated with dhimmitude, lived more or less peacefully in every major Arab city for hundreds of years. They were never more secure and prosperous than in Islamic Spain – and rarely more persecuted than after the Iberian reconquista by Christian armies. In so far as it exists, anti-Jewish sentiment among Arab and Muslim groups is a function of their opposition to Israel as a political entity, not vice versa.

That does not mean that the memes of European anti-semitism are not repeated or that I think that it is a good/productive/ethical way for people to express themselves, but this is absolutely NOT the same thing as European anti-semitism. Indeed, the very fact that Arab and Muslim people often rely on the repetition of these tropes is indicative of the DISCONTINUITY between European anti-semitism and anti-Jewishness as an expression of anti-Zionism – they have no significant indigenous canon on which to draw.

Unless and until the author engages in this discontinuity and attempts to understand WHY this superficially similar phenomenon is growing amongst Arab and Muslim populations, she will neither understand the “discrimination” directed against her, nor have any possibility of stopping it.

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By: Farah /region/europe/gaza-protests-in-paris-pro-palestinian-or-anti-jewish-95321/#comment-25492 Sat, 02 Aug 2014 22:32:31 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=44141#comment-25492 thanks for this article, I was really disturbed to read about your overall experience in paris and I pray for your safety.
you raise an important point about distinguishing between antisemitism and being against israeli policies and I’d like to hear more about the difference and how prevalent each is beyond what you say is a non-coincidental conflation with “anti-Zionism”. I am appalled, like you, with the instances of anti-semitism at some protests. There needs to be more effort to combat antisemitism in europe and it seems to me that the statistics you quote are mostly about antisemitism in Europe in general, not as primarily actions by “pro-Palestinians”. I’m concerned that by following the statistic that 37% of French people are openly anti-Semitic with what seems to be a quote that has no backing, and may be potentially racist, by Gil Mihaely, may be read as if you are insinuating that all Arabs/Africans in France are anti-Semitic and they are primarily behind antisemitism in europe, including the vile remarks in the ADL report- I am confident you don’t mean to make a racist and inflammatory remark though so it might be worth reflecting on. i also think it might be worth discussing the primary subject matter of the protests, and whether protesters are “pro-Palestinian” (which from what I gathered in the article only equates to being anti-Zionist) “anti-Jewish” or perhaps anti-genocide, as more than 1700 humans in Gaza have been killed, including over 250 children.

Humanity definitely needs to step up on fighting antisemitism, which on the whole is a phenomenon fairly independent of these “supporters”, as well as other xenophobias, and I hope that one day nobody has to worry about being Jewish, or Muslim, Black, etc., in Paris or anywhere else. Peace and justice on earth

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