Comments on: Are British Muslims Becoming “Radicalized”? /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/ Fact-based, well-reasoned perspectives from around the world Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:38:23 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Duncan Thomas /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32118 Sun, 01 Mar 2015 23:38:23 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32118 In reply to Hajar.

Hajar, sorry I caused offence.

I was not referring to Saudi society, or to Saudi individuals. I was referring, like I said, to the Saudi *state*. And the Saudi state is reactionary. People I know from Saudi Arabia, however, are lovely.

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By: Hajar /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32116 Sat, 28 Feb 2015 20:52:37 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32116 ‘reactionary states such as Saudi Arabia’

The well-known shallow remarks on Saudi Arabia make any text tiresome read… Why doesn’t anyone in the West ever go there, with an open mind. The country is a country like other countries, with the addition of two pilgrim places. They, too, think about today’s issues and try to improve and modernize their society. The condescending attitude against S-A in unnecessary.

Sincerely
HM

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By: Modog /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32113 Thu, 26 Feb 2015 20:32:51 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32113 If poverty were the only explanation of Islamic Terror, then your argument may have made sense. All minority groups have suffered under a dominant group. In France, Hindus are mainly recent refugees from Lanka. Yet, it is muslims bombing Charlie Hebdo. Muslims have been in France for two to three generations. Indians, Pakistanis, and Arabs mainly arrived to the US post 65. Muslims are in the highest income categories along with Hindus. Yet, today muslims plot against America in ever increasing number. It’s the religion. Circumstances matter and many groups suffer, yet islam is violent. We hear these types of arguments in India all the time. Who isn’t poor in India? Muslims are just more violent. They attend the mosque every friday and hear hateful things about the Kafir, Infidel, etc. They read their Koran and rejoice at Mohammed’s slaughter of the Infidel, Kafir, etc. Muslims congregate together and demand the expulsion of outsiders, Infidels, Kafirs, etc., and praise allah as sharia is de facto enforced on the streets. Your surpirised by muslim violence, why?

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By: Duncan Thomas /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32111 Thu, 26 Feb 2015 15:37:14 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32111 In reply to NSoman.

Interesting question. I must admit that my knowledge of specific sub-communities only goes so far. So the following answers are mostly speculation and someone with more knowledge of the Indian and Asian communities may be of more help.

My guesses would be that it is due to a) the fact that the Indian community is very well- and long-established, hence earlier generations had more opportunities to benefit from the period of “class compromise” detailed in the article (buying property etc) b) you would have to look at the average educational level and wealth of different migrant communities at the point of migration – because of international political factors, I would guess that a disproportionate number of Muslims are fleeing conflict zones in comparison to other Asian communities c) India has a particularly strong tradition of secular politics, including leftist currents, and has not invaded, bombed and destroyed by western powers for a while, hence possibly less hostility from Indian Muslims.

This is all speculation, like I say. But in any case, you’d have to look at both the economic and educational situation of the original migrants from any particular demographic, as well as when they first wave arrived and what the political context was in Britain at that time…you’d also have to look at how that community is perceived by the population at large, how much stigmnatisation they face, etc.

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By: NSoman /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32110 Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:54:48 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32110 In reply to NSoman.

Furthermore – how can the factors affecting the success of Non-Muslim Asians and Indian Muslims be transferred to working class Pakistani and Bangladeshi British populations?

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By: NSoman /region/europe/are-british-muslims-becoming-radicalized-97804/#comment-32109 Thu, 26 Feb 2015 14:52:00 +0000 http://www.fairobserver.com/?p=49021#comment-32109 Quick question – what exactly allows the non-Muslim Asians or even Muslims from India escape the poverty trap in such a disproportionate manner? Surely, not all of them arrived with a silver spoon in their mouths. Furthermore, what prevents radicalisation within the Indian Muslim British population, in particular – which does not seem very interested in fringe religious dogma.

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